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Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Tyler Cowen: On Choral Music - Deep Cuts and Listening

Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin

Arts, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

Tyler Cowen returns to continue his conversation in Part Two. Tyler Cowen is a leading economist, author, and professor, currently holding the Holbert L. Harris Chair of Economics at George Mason University, where he also serves as chairman and faculty director of the Mercatus Center. Widely recognized for his influential economic ideas, Cowen co-authors the long-running blog Marginal Revolution with Alex Tabarrok, and together they have also created Marginal Revolution University, which offers accessible, world-class economics education online. Cowen has also authored several books, including "The Great Stagnation," which analyzes the slowdown in economic growth, and "Average Is Over," exploring the future of work and inequality. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: LMNT Electrolytes https://DrinkLMNT.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.AthleticNicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Squarespace https://Squarespace.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

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0:00.0

Tetragrammaton

0:02.0

Tetracketam.

0:03.0

I have several reasons for being especially interested in choral music.

0:28.4

The first is I think a lot of it is much harder to comprehend.

0:31.7

So if you're there singing it or in a hall and nearby, it makes perfect sense.

0:36.4

You see and hear all the voices.

0:38.3

But when you listen to it on recordings,

0:40.2

I find it harder to decipher,

0:42.1

no matter how good the sound quality is,

0:44.5

and thus the gains to talking some of it through, maybe, are higher.

0:48.7

You listen to Beethoven's Fifth,

0:50.3

in the sense it's always hitting you over the head with what's going on.

0:53.2

Choral music very often doesn't do that.

0:56.2

But there's another deeper, more historical reason why I'm interested in it.

1:00.0

I think if you study choral music, and I mean now 20th century choral music,

1:04.5

you will understand the 20th century artistically and historically and historically in very different terms.

1:10.0

So we often think of the 20th century as a pretty secular century

1:13.6

or a secularizing century,

1:16.6

but so many of the top composers were deeply religious,

1:19.6

or they were into religious music and religious ideas,

1:22.6

and you hear that most clearly in their choral music.

1:26.6

So it changes how you view, I think, all music and our own history,

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