Hey Brian how are you? How are you? A long time to speak. Yeah. I know. How are you? Doing well.

You still sitting?

Yes, how about you?

Nice.

Yeah, well I live in the Jersey side, but yes, yes, still in the area.

Well, hopefully our paths will cross again sometime soon. Maybe we'll find out about that tonight.

Okay, so I think I'll just like kick us off and get us started because we've got tons to talk about and

anyways I feel like this has been a long time and coming so welcome everybody to the tech

meme ride home experience. My name is Chris Messina. I'm joined by my co-host Brian McCullough. And today we are joined by an old friend of mine, Mike McNano, who was the co-founder of Anchor, which was acquired in 2019 by Spotify.

And it's funny, I was actually going through

some of the old clippings on Tech Meme, of course.

There was a great story by Peter Kafka kind of talking about the acquisition and why Daniel Ek was interested in acquiring it and essentially said we're building a platform that provides a meaningful opportunity for creators,

excites and engages our users, and builds the even more robust business model for

Spotify in an industry we believe will become significantly larger when you

add internet level of monetization to it. And I think it's just it's you know

know we're gonna get into all in this of course but I think it's so

relevant I suppose just for our conversation to sort of think back to what

podcasting was has been is in the process of becoming.

And you know, Mike, you've obviously been at the center of this and your work on anchor

has been transformational.

So, the beginning of anchor, like, because again, being in this industry, like the idea that there were startups in the podcast space.

I'm old enough to remember that that seemed crazy and things like that.

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