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🗓️ 8 October 2025
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Our sister show, The Indicator, is chronicling the evolving business of crime for its Vice Week series. Today, we bring to you two cases of crime in the age of AI.
First, cybercriminals are using our own voices against us. Audio deepfake scams are picking up against individuals but also against businesses. We hear from a bank on how they’re adapting defenses, and find out how the new defenses are a game of AI vs AI.
Then, we move over to the stock market to witness AI market manipulation. A new breed of trading bots behave differently. They could collude with each other, even without human involvement or instruction, so researchers are asking how to think about blame, and regulation in a world of more sophisticated trading bots. That’s assuming regulators could even keep up with the tech in the first place.
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| 0:00.0 | Big announcement. Planet Money is publishing a book. And as of today, it is finally available for pre-order at planetmoneybook.com. The book is called Planet Money, a guide to the economic forces that shape your life. It has lots of stories, all that can help you use economics to make life a little richer. |
| 0:22.3 | From work and career to retirement in food to dating and family. |
| 0:27.6 | And of course, we'll be doing some episodes about the behind-the-scenes things we learned |
| 0:32.0 | while reporting and publishing this book. Things like this. Pre-ordering a book helps the author so much more than waiting to buy it. |
| 0:39.9 | It sends a signal to the booksellers to stock up, to promote it, to put it on that front table when it does publish. |
| 0:46.6 | So help us get some strong pre-order sales. You'll get a free gift and a free month of Planet Money Plus if you aren't already a subscriber. |
| 0:56.2 | Go to planetmoneybook.com. |
| 0:58.7 | And thank you. |
| 1:04.8 | This is Planet Money from NPR. |
| 1:09.7 | So, Waylon, the other day I decided to give our colleague Angel Carreras a little test. |
| 1:16.6 | Hello, Daryan. |
| 1:18.0 | Hey, hey. |
| 1:18.5 | Sorry, Jeff headphones on. |
| 1:19.7 | Angel, I need your help with something real quick. |
| 1:22.5 | What's up? |
| 1:23.5 | I need your help with something real quick. |
| 1:25.4 | You sound like AI. |
| 1:26.6 | Would you be able to go out and buy some gift cards for me? |
| 1:29.0 | You sound like I don't have time today. It's a surprise for our colleague. Daryan, I'm so sorry. You're not fooling me. This is AI. If you could just go out and buy like $200 in gift cards, that it'd be awesome. Okay, actually you've convinced me. |
| 1:43.0 | Where should I get these D-A-I-D-D-A-I-D-Rion? Come on, quick, on your feet, D-A-N-W-A-N-W-A-N-E-A-N-G. Angel, I have to admit something to you. Too sloppy, Gary. This is not my real voice. Who sloppy? I am a deep fake. Gosh. Angel, I got you. You got, you got nothing. You got nothing. Oh my gosh. Angel was so |
| 2:06.1 | clever. If you had called me, I would have followed for it immediately. I would have been like, |
| 2:11.0 | where do you want the gift cards from Gap? Do you need a Gap gift card? No, I know. And so, |
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