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Love Me

Two-Way Mirrors

Love Me

CBC

Society & Culture

4.5797 Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Story 1: Bob and Matt have a friendship ritual. For the past 24 years, they’ve been writing each other threatening letters. Until one of them suddenly stops.


Story 2: Linda discovers that the preschool she went to at the university her parents worked at was cheaper “because of the experiments." It turns out that the psychology department was studying Linda and her four-year-old classmates from behind two-way mirrors, examining their social behaviours as they played, like a little toddler Truman show. Linda needs to know: What secrets did those psychologists observe about her all those years ago?


Featuring Bob Kotyk, Matt Phelps, and Linda Besner.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Okay, I know it's not time for the holidays, but can we talk about Mariah Carey for a second?

0:07.1

She just dropped her first full album in seven years.

0:09.7

We're going to talk about that on Commotion, but also we're going to celebrate 20 years as her iconic record, The Emancipation of Mimi.

0:16.6

For this episode and a whole lot more, you can find and follow Commotion with me, Alameen Abdul Mahmoud, on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

0:26.3

This is a CBC podcast.

0:34.1

From CBC, This is Love Me, a show about the messiness of human connection.

0:41.1

I'm Lou.

0:42.5

In today's episode, a story about finding out you were spied on as a kid.

0:49.9

But first...

0:53.3

A mutual friend had to sort of pull me aside and say,

0:58.0

you know, Matt's a little hurt that you haven't sent him a threatening letter in a while.

1:03.6

I felt like, oh God, you're right.

1:05.5

I really should get around to threatening to destroy Matt in a poem.

1:12.6

Bob and Matt have a friendship ritual.

1:16.3

For the past 24 years, they've been writing each other, threatening letters.

1:21.7

Sort of like, I'm going to get you. I will expose you.

1:26.5

The foundations of your life as you live it now will be shaken.

1:32.3

That's silly, but yeah, we shared a certain sense of humor.

1:37.7

It started when they were in university back in 2000. They didn't have cell phones, so if Matt was around to give Bob a ride home,

1:46.8

he'd leave a note outside Bob's class,

1:49.5

tacked to a bulletin board.

1:51.5

So you'd walk over, pull out the pin, and then unfold it.

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