Right, hello everybody and welcome to a we can call us a blood red podcast or a

Royal Blue podcast. I suppose it's a purple podcast because we've got Tony Evans

the author with us here today to talk about his new book, Two Tribes, which is focusing on the

the 1985-86 season, specifically what happened on the pitch, but also more than a backdrop of

what was happening off it because it's not just

a football story is it's only there's an awful lot of politics in there and basically how the city of

Liverpool stood up effectively against the establishment at the time?

Yeah, I mean it was the worst time in the city's history probably.

You know, this was an environment where a cabinet level

that talked about the managed to climb of the city.

They actually talked about starving

an entire region of resources

to make people leave

because it was the region politically opposed. Paturismism and you know when you think of that sort of lunacy that was going on,

the scouts accent was criminalised across the country.

It's people treated you as if you were, well enemy within which is you know that one of the

that you cliche really and and in this time we had the best suit teams in New Europe and of course unfortunately to even fear the black in the city's name

the highs and disaster happens which obviously Liverpool fans were culpable in and

deserve the blame that was apportioned to them but Thatcher grabbed all of that

and used as a weapon to beat the city with. Immediately after, the day after, she made a statement where she

said, oh, you know, these people, these people are violent, just look at the records in industrial relations.

She equated strikes with Hyzel and it was a terrible time, but the

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