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Two Stories That Prove Change Is Possible

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🗓️ 17 April 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

We are living through a time where big positive change seems unachievable, but there are two instances from the recent past that prove change is possible. For over a century, Indigenous people along the Klamath River fought to protect their way of life, and the salmon they depend on. Their persistence helped remove four dams and restore hundreds of miles of river. In Los Angeles, decades of science, activism, and policy turned toxic smog into cleaner air.  Both stories reveal that progress takes persistence, coalition-building, and time. But when communities push and institutions respond, meaningful change is possible. Guests:  Amy Bowers Cordalis, Yurok Tribe member, Author, The Water Remembers Ann Carlson, Professor of Environmental Law, UCLA; Author, Smog and Sunshine: The Surprising Story of How Los Angeles Cleaned Up Its Air For show notes and related links, visit https://www.climateone.org/podcasts 00:00 – Intro 02:26 – Amy Bowers Cordalis on the river and salmon  06:63 – Amy Bowers Cordalis on Uncle Ray  12:53 – Amy Bowers Cordalis on witnessing the effects of the dams  16:04 – Amy Bowers Cordalis on the lowest salmon run  2218  – Amy Bowers Cordalis on getting to destroy the dams 28:18 – Amy Bowers Cordalis on seeing the river come back to life  34:13 – Ann Carlson on the state of LA air 37:58 – Ann Carlson on the first steps towards cleaning the air  40:14 – Ann Carlson on getting from pineapples to smog 44:27 – Ann Carlson on the Mothers of East LA  52:40 – Ann Carlson on why it the book is important now ********** Support Climate One by going ad-free! By subscribing to Climate One on Patreon, you’ll receive exclusive access to all future episodes free of ads, opportunities to connect with fellow Climate One listeners, and access to the Climate One Discord. Sign up today at patreon.com/ClimateOne.  Ad sales by Multitude. Contact them for ad inquiries at multitude.productions/ads Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Kushan Avidar. I'm Arianna Brocious. And this is Climate One.

0:07.3

Today we're looking at two very different environmental success stories, where communities, smart scientists, innovation, and unexpected allies came together to make a real positive impact.

0:20.1

Along the California, Oregon border, indigenous leaders led a successful effort to bring down

0:26.1

four dams on the Klamath River, restoring hundreds of miles of habitat, rejuvenating the ecosystem

0:32.5

for both the salmon and the people.

0:35.1

And in Los Angeles, a combination of science, activism, and policy turned some of the dirtiest

0:41.5

air in the country into something dramatically cleaner.

0:45.2

Both of these efforts took decades. Both faced powerful opposition.

0:50.3

And at a time when we're seeing the federal government significantly pull back from climate and environmental policy, these stories are good to remember that when enough people get involved and coalitions are built, real change can actually happen.

1:04.9

I know sometimes that can feel hard to believe, which is why stories like these are so important.

1:11.1

These aren't just stories about environmental winds.

1:13.6

They're stories about persistence, about strategy, about time, because, man, it took some time.

1:19.3

But after decades, change did happen.

1:24.9

Amy Bowers Cordales is a Uruk tribe member whose ceremony family is from Reckoi at the mouth of the Klamath River, which runs through southern Oregon and northern California.

1:35.4

In spite of losing much of their land during colonization, the Urock people were never forcibly relocated and have remained deeply connected to the river and its salmon.

1:46.0

In the first half of the 20th century, hydroelectric dams were constructed along the Klamath River.

1:52.0

While they provide a zero-carbon form of energy, hydroelectric dams come with real environmental costs,

1:59.0

altering the river's flow, degrading water quality,

2:02.8

and devastating fish habitats.

2:06.1

For more than a century, Cordales' family has been part of a multi-generational effort

2:10.6

to heal the Klamath, ultimately leading to the largest dam removal and river restoration

2:15.7

project in U.S. history.

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