Welcome to another episode of Sidelined Sanity with me, Michelle Tafoya.

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And today I'm giving you a combo platter, a couple of guests that I've had on in the past that I loved.

And sort of by design, they are both happen to be black men in America,

who I don't think would go along with this whole reparations plan in San Francisco that's

being batted around. So they are Leonidas Johnson and Zeke Arkham. Now, Leonidas I found on

Twitter and I love it. He's an author of a book

called Raising Victims. And he also hosts a podcast called Informed Descent. He's a Christian who

calls himself not a black American, but a Mocha American, an advocate for post-racial identity.

And here's his, I think I like this the best.

His pronouns are leave me alone.

Three pronouns, leave and me and alone.

I love that about him.

Zeke Arkham is another guest we've had before, a cop who is conservative, who supports other

cops. And for good reason, he knows what they go through. We had a really interesting

conversation about where policing is in America today, where it could be, where it should be,

what's happening and what maybe some of the

solutions are. So I'm really pleased to present you a segment from each of theirs that I think

really define who these people are, make them real and make them some people that you need to

listen to, some guys that you should,'d probably want to have a beer with them,

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