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The PoliticsGirl Podcast

Two Separate Realities: A Conversation with former Evangelical Christian fundamentalist, Tim Whitaker

The PoliticsGirl Podcast

MeidasTouch Network, Leigh McGowan

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.9 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

There are two separate realities in America right now. One we saw at the Charlie Kirk memorial, where God has picked a side and if you’re not with them you’re not on it, and one rooted in reality. However, the reality one…it’s not winning. As always, if you find worth in what we do, please consider SUBSCRIBING to PoliticsGirl Premium. You’ll get this podcast ad free, along with a bunch of other perks, like the rants directly to your inbox and the knowledge that you’re making this kind of highly researched, factual information possible. If that interests you, please go to https://www.politicsgirl.com/premium and subscribe today!! Thank you so much! xoPG Guest social: https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/ Twitter: @newvangelicals Facebook:The New Evangelicals Instagram: @thenewevangelicals YouTube: @TheNewEvangelicals   As always, please RATE and SUBSCRIBE so we can grow the show, open the dialogue, and inspire change moving forward! All show links here!: https://linktr.ee/politicsgirl   This episode is sponsored by… https://perelelhealth.com code: politicsgirl https://oneskin.co code: politicsgirl https://GoPure.com code: politicsgirl https://calm.com/politicsgirl

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0:00.0

Make no mistake, women's suffrage is on the table. It is on the, you think people tell me,

0:04.1

well, it's in the Constitution and will ever get overturned. Oh, they're crafty. You think they

0:07.5

aren't like working on it? I need people to wake up. Like, this is on the table, friends.

0:12.8

It's 100% on the table. I mean, listen, we are getting rid of the First Amendment right now.

0:17.1

There's no way they're not going to get rid of the 19th.

0:33.7

Hello, and welcome to the Politics Girl podcast. I'm your host Lee McGowan. Let's get into it.

0:38.9

I hope everyone is doing okay in these terrible times. Considering the past couple of weeks, I have decided to rearrange our schedule here to talk to my friend Tim Whitaker. Tim is a former

0:43.9

Christian fundamentalist, baptized and raised in the heart of the group trying so hard to take over

0:48.8

our country right now. He is also the founder of the new evangelicals, an inclusive Jesus-centered community that holds space for those marginalized by the evangelical church through building community, exploring faith, and advocating for systemic change.

1:02.8

I wanted to have him on today to talk about how the Christian nationalist playbook is unfolding in front of our eyes.

1:09.1

From mass immigration raids to what's going on in our schools

1:11.8

and our media, to how the right is co-opting the horrific murder of Charlie Kirk to consolidate

1:16.8

power. It is all straight out of a playbook that I think most of us don't understand, but Tim really does.

1:23.2

So without further ado, please welcome my guest, educator, influencer, and former evangelical Christian still deconstructing his faith. Tim Whitaker. Welcome back, Tim. It's good to see you, my friend. I mean, we talked a year ago, and a lot has changed in a year. So thanks for having me. Why are we laughing? We should be crying. Because it's terrible. If we don't laugh, we will cry.

1:44.6

And like, listen, here's the thing.

1:45.8

I think we need your insight right now more than ever.

1:47.8

And like you said, last time you were here, we talked about this, right?

1:51.1

You tried to warn us that this extremist faction of the Christian movement was a real threat to America.

1:57.1

That you knew these people firsthand.

1:59.4

They were a danger to women.

2:00.5

They were endangeredjuder to women. They were a danger to minorities.

2:01.6

They were a danger to the marginalized. They were a danger to democracy itself. We talked about

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