Hello, this episode is with Ben Smith, who is a meditation teacher and who founded the

Inner Journey School. I'm a big fan of Ben's videos on YouTube. I really resonate with

how he speaks about his meditation journey. And really the

essence of this conversation is there are many roots up the mountain, so to speak, but the view

from the top is the same. And my experience has been far more meandering than Ben's and I'm more drawn to, for example,

self-inquiry than meditation in the same way as Ben. But really this conversation is about

illustrating that it's about finding what works for you on the spiritual path, but the

aim and the goal is the same thing. So here is my conversation with Ben.

Ben Smith, it's a pleasure to be with you. How are you?

I'm great. Thank you for having me. Pleasure to meet you.

Pleasure to meet you too. Yeah. I'm delighted that you're here.

I'm familiar with your content.

And the thing I like about your content is the integrity, I feel, that comes through the way

you speak.

It's not too highfalutin or what I would call like spiritual performance,

but it's it's from the heart. Does that, how does that sound to you? Does that sound a good

assessment? I hope so. I guess I'm quite, I would probably describe myself as a simple person

and my life is quite simple.

And I think I like things described in a simple way.

So that is naturally, I suppose, how I've tried to share my thoughts and my ideas and

insights and things.

So hopefully that sort of resonates with people that are looking for that simple guidance as well.

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