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The Ruck

Two Lions on the pod: Fin Smith staying at Saints & Tommy Freeman’s positional switch.

The Ruck

Reynolds Alfie

World Cup, Autumn Internationals, Lions, Lions Tour, Rugby, Sport, Guinness Rugby Premiership, News, Sports, Sports News, Six Nations

3.4566 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Ahead of 'Derby Weekend' in the Gallagher PREM, Will Kelleher heads to the midlands to chat to Northampton Saints. He speaks with Director of Rugby Phil Dowson, plus two of the clubs British & Irish Lions in Fin Smith and Tommy Freeman.


Fin explains that wanting to earn more caps for England was a big motivation for signing a contract extension, despite the lure of R360. And find out why he was disappointed with his performances on the Lions tour.


Tommy Freeman brings up his 100th Saints appearance on the weekend so he reflects on the journey to this point and discusses what the future might hold. Will he be a 13 going forward?


Plus, Phil Dowson looks ahead to a big East Midlands derby against Leicester Tigers!


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0:00.0

Hello, Rutgers, welcome back to the journalist rugby podcast from The Times.

0:19.1

It's Will here, and you've got me on my lonesome today. I'm not saying the others have shunned or rejected me, but maybe it's more

0:25.0

that I'm the R360 to their traditional unions and I'm striking out on my own regardless.

0:30.9

I'll leave that one up to you. Anyway, you join me at Franklin's Gardens, home, as you know, of

0:36.3

Northampton Saints ahead of their Derby weekend

0:38.8

in the Prem against Leicester Tigers here on Saturday. It's a bit grey and cold. We've had Anthony

0:45.3

Bellow dropping goals and kicking at the posts out on the field. The sprinklers are going. It's a

0:51.0

couple of days out from the Derby match. And lucky us, we've got two lions

0:55.4

coming to join us, Finn Smith and Tommy Freeman, who should be available for selection for that

1:00.4

Tiger's Derby game, as well as Phil Dawson for a Saints special today. There's much to discuss,

1:06.7

of course, with these Lions returning this weekend, Smith's new contract rejecting R360

1:12.7

Saints lead blowing form

1:14.4

and plenty more

1:15.7

so this is not just the Ruck for Saints fans

1:18.2

although you'll enjoy it too

1:19.5

but stick with us

1:20.6

whoever you support us there's loads in this

1:22.4

I'm sure you'll love

1:23.5

so without further ado

1:25.3

let's get some lines on the pod

1:26.7

first up England and Northampton

1:28.8

Flyhard, Finn Smith, is on the rug. Okay, man of the moment's here, Finn Smith, fresh from

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