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Plain English with Derek Thompson

Two Israel-Palestine Historians Explain: How Did We Get Here? And What Happens Next?

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2023

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

The eminent Israeli historian Benny Morris walks us through the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, from antiquity to October 7. And the excellent historian of Palestine, Zachary Foster, digs into the often misunderstood history of the rise of Hamas. Finally, both share their thoughts on Israel's military response, the future of the conflict, and the "missing moderate middle" on both sides. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guests; Benny Morris & Zachary Foster Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:11.0

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0:13.5

a true crime podcast from the Rinner,

0:15.5

and for seven episodes, we're hunting a comment.

0:18.5

A guy with a lot of aliases,

0:20.5

a guy who's ruined a lot of weddings,

0:22.5

and with the help of some friends,

0:24.0

I just might be able to catch him.

0:26.0

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0:28.0

or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:32.5

Today is a long episode,

0:34.5

perhaps our most comprehensive and information-packed episode,

0:38.0

on Israel, Hamas, and Palestine.

0:41.0

I want to begin in a surprising place,

0:44.0

which is here in America,

0:46.0

and the way that we sometimes seek to understand people and ideologies

0:51.0

that initially seem foreign to us.

0:54.0

Several years ago,

0:55.5

the sociologist Arley Russell Huxchild

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