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🗓️ 9 September 2025
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You know how sometimes life gives you lemons and then instead of sugar for lemonade, the church hands you a moldy marriage book and says, “Submit harder”? That was my reality. In this episode, I take you back to a hotel room where I was nine months pregnant and seriously questioning if I wanted to keep living.
Instead, I stumbled my way out of despair and into freedom thanks to a stack of books, a laptop, and eventually, the real God (not the mean knock-off version I had been worshiping).
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying Free Now.com, and you're listening to the Flying Free Podcast, |
| 0:08.9 | a support resource for women of faith looking for hope and healing from hidden emotional and spiritual abuse. |
| 0:18.0 | Welcome to episode 344 of the Flying Free Podcast. |
| 0:23.3 | Today I'm going to tell you a story. |
| 0:26.9 | The room was quiet, but not peaceful. |
| 0:31.2 | Just that thick, suffocating kind of quiet that feels like a held breath you can't exhale. The hotel bed spread was stiff |
| 0:41.6 | and overbleached. The lamp in the corner of the room flickered once in a while like it couldn't |
| 0:47.9 | decide whether to help me or give up. I was nine months pregnant with my ninth child. But I felt hollow, like a ghost, |
| 0:59.8 | carrying a ghost. I hadn't come to that hotel for a retreat. I came because I wasn't sure I wanted |
| 1:07.5 | to stay alive. After years of begging for help, pastors, counselors, friends, |
| 1:14.4 | anyone who might see what was happening in my marriage, I had been handed shame instead of |
| 1:20.6 | support. Submit harder. Don't air your husband's dirty laundry. That's not abuse. That's just normal marriage. |
| 1:29.8 | Every time I reached out, I was handed another book, another rebuke, another reminder that this |
| 1:36.3 | was somehow my fault, that I wasn't trying hard enough, that I was the problem. |
| 1:50.2 | I had followed every rule. I had sacrificed. I had obeyed, |
| 1:59.5 | and I was dying inside. That night in the hotel, I didn't feel brave or spiritual. I felt like I was losing myself one breath at a time. But the next morning, |
| 2:04.6 | I made a decision. I drove to a bookstore, no plan, no shower, just desperation. I got out my |
| 2:12.9 | laptop and I started Googling things like passive aggressive man, painful Christian marriage, |
| 2:19.9 | my Christian husband never says he's sorry, and when you've tried everything and your Christian |
| 2:25.5 | marriage is still falling apart. I didn't really find anything that morning that I could grab a hold of, |
| 2:32.6 | but it did start me down some rabbit |
| 2:35.4 | holes that eventually led me to a book called Who's Pushing Your Buttons? By Dr. Henry |
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