Two Family Tragedies Aaron Spencer & Rob Reiner | Defense Attorney Bob Motta Breaks Them Down
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Tony Brueski
4.2 • 612 Ratings
🗓️ 18 December 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
In Arkansas, Aaron Spencer is heading to trial for stopping Michael Fosler, a 67-year-old man with 43 felony charges who was out on bond and actively taking Spencer's 13-year-old daughter in the middle of the night. Fosler had already assaulted her once. A no-contact order was in place. The system knew he was dangerous and let him walk anyway. When Spencer's daughter ended up in Fosler's truck heading toward Fosler's house, Spencer did what the system refused to do — he protected his child. Now prosecutors want to use body cam footage from three months earlier to argue premeditation. They want a jury to believe a father in shock, processing his daughter's disclosure, was actually planning something. The defense says this was a kidnapping in progress and Arkansas law justified every action Spencer took.
In California, Rob Reiner's son Nick is accused of taking both of his parents' lives after years of addiction and mental illness that the family publicly tried to address. They had money. They had access. They had every resource available. But California law doesn't let you force an adult into treatment — no matter how sick they are, no matter how many times they've been hospitalized, no matter how obvious the trajectory is. You just wait. The Reiners waited. And now they're gone.
One father acted because the system let a predator walk. One father couldn't act because the system tied his hands. Both families deserved better. This episode breaks down the legal fights in both cases and what they reveal about a system that fails victims at every turn.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski, Stacey Cole, and Todd Michaels. |
| 0:09.4 | The Aaron Spencer case, this is one that's enraging, especially if you're a parent, |
| 0:15.3 | especially if you're a parent of a young child. |
| 0:19.0 | And, uh, you mean more specifically if you have, uh,, if you have little girls, it really is one of those things you look |
| 0:26.0 | and go, my God, I don't know how anyone wouldn't act the way that Aaron Spencer did to go rescue. |
| 0:32.7 | His daughter from Michael Fossler, the man that he ended up killing after he kidnapped Aaron Spencer's |
| 0:40.2 | daughter from their home. He stood in front of the Aleno County deputies months before the murder. |
| 0:48.1 | Furious, broken, and recorded on body cam. His 13-year-old daughter had just disclosed that she |
| 0:54.0 | had been assayed by a 67-year-old man. |
| 0:58.4 | And on that footage, Spencer says something the prosecution now wants to use against him. |
| 1:04.8 | Sometimes you've got to handle things yourself. The state is arguing that's premeditation, |
| 1:09.9 | that Spencer was already planning what he'd |
| 1:12.4 | eventually do. The defense says it's a father in shock, venting grief and disbelief, not announcing |
| 1:19.2 | intent. This is the 404B fight, and it could define the entire trial. Bob Mata, defense attorney, |
| 1:27.1 | host of the podcast Defense Diaries with us to help break all of this down. |
| 1:31.7 | Bob, let's start with this. |
| 1:33.0 | Walk us through the Rule 404B. |
| 1:35.5 | What does the prosecution have to prove to get this body cam footage in front of a jury? |
| 1:42.4 | And what's the legal standard that they're up against here in a case like this. |
| 1:46.0 | So 404B is prior bad acts. All right. So when you hear that in any case, not just this case, |
| 1:54.1 | that's when the state is trying to introduce prior bad acts that may have no relation to the case. |
| 2:01.0 | Sometimes it does. |
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