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see E.e.com.uker claims. Hello and welcome to seeing Red. I'm Mark. And this week I am joined by the one and only Grace from Red Rum. Grace, welcome.

Hi, Mark. Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited. I literally, a genuinely fan girl moment. I listen to the show every week. Get out of it. No, I'm so serious. My partner said to me the other day, I said, oh, I'm doing a collaboration with Mark from seeing Red. And he was like, you listen to that one all the time. I was like, yes, I do. And I say, there go. Tell us a bit about Red Run, because it's got massive, hasn't it, your podcast? You're on YouTube as well, aren't you?

Yeah, so I started it, well, I started it in the pandemic, lost all my other work and just thought, so interested in true crime.

And when I started it, I listened to a lot of true crime podcasts that I kind of wanted more information on the victim. So that is kind of how

Redrum started and I hope I've continued that where I'm really trying to be as a victim focus

as possible and kind of dig into the details of those people's lives. Yeah, and then we have been

doing it for, I guess, five years now.

And then started it on YouTube a couple of years ago.

And that, you know how it is like the YouTube algorithm is a bit mad.

So it gives you like massive spurts and then massive nothings.

But it's the same episodes that I'm putting out on the podcast. So it's really, it's nice to like practice that skill as well, I think, of like how to do the video. But yeah, so into its fifth year now.

Yeah. And six plus million downloads. Is that right? Just hit the six million mark. So yeah, do check out Red Rum. If you're not already a fan, Hopefully you listen to it. If you're not a fan,

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