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Trial. Hello and welcome to Coffey House shots. I'm Lucy Dunn and today I'm

joined by Katie Bowles and Isabel Hardin.

Sir Curious Damer has been in power now for just under two weeks and already there is some

talk ramping up about the two-tiled benefit cap that Starmer's government is not going

to get rid of.

Isabelle can you tell us a little bit about what exactly is going on here in

regards to the SMP stands on this and also Scottish Labour as well.

Yeah so this is a hugely a motive issue for a lot of labor MPs. It was obviously a conservative

benefits policy limiting the amount of child benefit that is paid per family to

the first two children and it's not a retrospective benefit so it doesn't

cut off children who were you know born 10 years ago but obviously the more

children who are born the more we're seeing the impact of the policy and there's quite clear evidence

from the Institute of Fiscal Studies that it is increasing child poverty, which was sort of the point of the policy was to underline to people

considering whether or not to have another child, whether they would have to support that

child through their own means or via the state.

It's obviously been something that Labour MPs have opposed ever since it was introduced.

John Ashworth, now former MP, but was Shadow Work and Pension Secretary for quite a while for Labour when they're in

opposition called it heness. I think you'd struggle to find a Labour MP who hasn't at some point really

emotionally criticized it. However as part of Rachel Reeves's

tough fiscal regime the party committed to only promising to scrap Tory policies that

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