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Arguments in and around the Israeli military this week, echoing the pro-democracy protests

that are not just confined to Israel, but going around the world.

And a conversation with someone uniquely well-placed to discuss the lessons for Israel

from the war on democracy in Central and Eastern Europe,

and what both might learn from each other.

It's unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.

And I'm Unleet Levy of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv. Unholy, two Jews on the news from Keshet podcasts.

I was thinking this week, Jonathan, of a quote by Ariel Sharon, Israel's former prime minister.

And this is what he used to say about interviews.

He said no one ever regretted not giving an interview.

It was a line he borrowed from his media strategist, Ruvan Adler. But, you know, I know this is

against our journalistic DNA, so let's try and be gamekeepers and not poachers for a moment and talk

about that, right? No one ever regretted not giving an interview. I'm not talking about Chris

Lick for now. I'm being more parochial and talking about Israel's foreign minister

Eli Cohen, who interviewed this week on Israeli public radio, was asked about Kamala Harris

and her comments, by the way, in a very pro-Israel speech that she made at the Israeli embassy,

celebrating 75 years for Israel's independence. And he said, after she said that it's important to keep the

judiciary independent, he said, I doubt she read even one part of the judicial overhaul plan.

It's good, isn't it, that he is actually Israel's chief diplomat. I mean, he's foreign affairs

minister. One part of the job is to make nice and have good relations,

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