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Hello and welcome to the special Saturday edition of Coffee House Shots. It is 20 years since 9-11 and to discuss the impact

on those events that we still see today. I'm joined by James Fusif and Fraser Nelson.

James clearly this comes weeks after the withdrawal from Afghanistan. What do you think

the biggest consequences that we still see from Netdaa?

I think one of the most remarkable things about the last few months is, and you saw

us in Joe Biden's speech, is essentially he is trying to close the book on post-9-11 U.S.

foreign policy. Post-9-11 U.S. foreign policy was driven by the view that you couldn't allow

failed states, but they became inherently dangerous because they became breeding grounds of terrorism,

so you need to intervene, stop that from happening. Joe Biden was saying in that speech,

look, actually, what I'm concerned about is great power competition with China and Russia.

We're going to give up on the idea of trying to remake countries,

trying to have kind of, you know, the kind of neo-conservative vision of bringing democracy,

spreading democracy around the world and the belief that that is what would make the US safer.

I think two things, which is, one, I remember being in Washington and 9-11,

and I think if you had said to anyone that day, there will not be, in the next 20 years,

there will not be another major terrorist attack on the American mainland.

You know, obviously there was a Boston marathon bombing, but that was kind of fairly limited.

I think people would have been very surprised.

I think in some ways what is remarkable is that how relatively little terror there has been in the 20 years afterwards,

that was not what people's initial reaction was going to be.

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