There was nothing here that indicated to me that this would be a short, sharp kind of campaign.

But the end game of this and the last campaign is Crimea, but you've got to do a lot of things before that becomes possible, including taking back

Kasson and Zafarizia or Blasts.

Pretty much everything we've seen in it.

We've seen in every previous war, whether it's the presence of strategy, the importance

of leadership, artillery, combined arms, air operations, support from the population, influence,

operations. None of these things are new.

Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Amble, editorial director at MWI,

and I'm joined on this episode by retired Australian Army Major General Mick Ryan.

For years he has been a really influential voice among those who study war and its future.

His combination of that deep study and his decades of practical military and leadership experience

make his perspective really valuable.

And when Russia invaded Ukraine last February, that perspective quickly made him one of the keenest

and most insightful observers of the way that war was playing out.

Now, one year on from the invasion, he joins me to reflect back on the past year of war

and to describe what we should be learning about the modern battlefield from that conflict.

He also looks forward to examine what we might expect from the war in the months ahead.

I'm grateful to General Ryan for a really fascinating discussion that I hope you enjoy listening

to. Before we get to it, though, as always, just a couple quick notes. First, if you're not yet

subscribed to the MWI podcast, you can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, Tune-in, Spotify, or any other app.

We're working on some really interesting new episodes that you won't want to miss.

And second, as always, what you hear in this episode are the views of the participants

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