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People I (Mostly) Admire

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People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

How psychologist Dan Gilbert went from high school dropout to Harvard professor, found the secret of joy, and inspired Steve Levitt's divorce.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Today's episode is an encore presentation of a conversation I had with Harvard psychologist Dan Gilbert two and a half years ago.

0:14.3

It's one of the two or three most downloaded episodes we've ever done, and it's one of my personal favorites.

0:20.2

To give you a sense of just how much I like talking to Dan and how in sync I felt with him,

0:25.3

as soon as the interview ended, I asked him if he wanted to share the people I mostly admire

0:30.6

podcast with me, taking turns being the host each week.

0:34.3

I felt like we were so similar in our worldviews that anyone who liked me as a host

0:38.4

would like Dan at least as much, probably more. Alas, Dan said no, till you're all just stuck with me.

0:49.8

My guest today, Dan Gilbert, is a Harvard psychologist, author of the Blockbuster Bestseller Stumbling on Happiness,

0:56.7

and co-writer and host of the PBS television series This Emotional Life.

1:02.2

I do suspect that many, many people would be much happier if they did less, better.

1:11.9

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

1:20.0

Dan Gilbert and I have followed remarkably similar career paths.

1:24.4

We both had lots of early success in academics, leading to a best-selling popular book,

1:28.9

which opened up all sorts of opportunities. And once we had a taste of these non-academic

1:33.8

activities, traditional academics no longer seem so inspiring. But we're also different in one notable

1:40.5

way. Dan is one of the most irrepressibly positive, enthusiastic, and chovial people

1:46.8

you will ever meet. And me, who you know me, I'm just me.

1:56.0

So at the end of last year, we put together a podcast episode that captured the highlights and the lowlights of the podcast in 2021.

2:05.6

And as part of that, I had to pick the single best idea that I had heard from a guest in the entire year.

2:12.4

And I suspect that it will surprise you, especially since you weren't even a guest on the show in 2021,

2:18.4

that it's one of your ideas that won the prize.

2:22.2

Well, I'm absolutely delighted that other people are talking about my ideas and saving me the

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