What I wanted to talk about in the bonus is in hyper-normalization he uses, and maybe this is part of his like misogyny, he uses three women to kind of talk about the kind of failure of political.

He uses Patty Smith, Martha Rosler, and Jane Fonda.

All of which actually are remarkably politically committed,

you know, artists or American figures maybe this is

anti-Americanism misogyny to some combination which is fair we have to

accept that did Patty Smith play some benefits for Bernie Sanders quite recently?

Yeah, I saw Patty Smith in 2000.

Maybe Sean will remember this.

Player Ralph Nader Rally at Madison Square Garden.

I don't know.

You overlapped with that.

Unfortunately, I missed that.

But the way he talks about her,

she's just like this a political individualist hippie which kind of does not track with the image of her that I have but

continue. Okay so now in this series in the fourth episode he kind of trots out Joan Baez as the kind of X 60s

radical that gave up on the movement and she you know explicitly said she's not

left but now he kind of confusingly counterposes

her to Jane Fonda who at least at that point was still you know believed and

invested in the struggle and supported you know the North Vietnamese or whatever the government's name

was at that point and then you know we could talk about Tupac or you know how Rod Stewart you know factors into the the

Hong Kong story or something but to think a little bit more about his talking about

explicitly some of these you know artists or musicians or pop cultural figures I think is sort of interesting how he uses them.

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