Welcome to Defense Diaries. I'm Bob Mata, your host and today we're joined by a very, very special guest as the guest host.

Today's episode is Darren Wood. How are you doing, Dee?

Hey, Bob. I'm well. How are you?

I'm great, man. So what we're going to do in this particular episode, this is what we're going to basically call our recap of the first half of tunnel vision season two.

So you're going to drive the bus here, man.

Cool, with that.

Yeah, I don't have a license, but these kids will be fine.

All right, good. Good. So yeah, so like real quickly, Darren and I actually tried to record this down at the True Crime podcast festival. We did a Spotify live.

We did record it. Apparently the paranormal roundtable discussion that was uproariously hilarious and they were laughing fanatically back there behind us, which blood its way into our sound.

So Darren, I thought it might be a good idea if we just kind of did it from scratch for you all so you could actually hear us.

The last was it wasn't very, it wasn't timed very well as far as what we were discussing.

Yeah, I mean, we had some pretty serious dark shit going on and then it would like just like booming laughter through the walls. So yeah, it was poorly timed to say the least.

So we got a bit of information to cover here, Bob, because you know, there's a lot of information.

We do, we do and just kind of like going into this before I hand you the keys.

It's different in the sense that you in terms of Gacy had a pretty good idea where we were going on a weekly basis, whereas this case, you're not as familiar with.

You know, especially in the first half of it, we haven't used nearly as many recordings. It's mostly been me kind of narrating through the scripts and kind of giving you the blow by blow.

So you're learning things basically the same time. Well, a little bit before I listen or as much, you know, on a week to week basis, you're kind of hearing the story.

Yeah. So is that been difficult for you or not really?

I mean, it's been different. I don't know what difficult. I haven't. I think the second half going forward, I'll be able to kind of look ahead a little better.

Okay.

Because you know, with Gacy, any new information, we both learn simultaneously.

Right.

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