Hey guys, just a little bit of housekeeping before we dig in.

First, this is our 50th episode, which doesn't include collabs with other pods.

So we'd like to take this time to thank all of you for listening to our little pod.

We can't tell you how much it means to us, and we hope to continue for a long, long time

to come.

So keep on listening, and please keep spreading the word.

It means everything to the growth of the show.

The second bit of business is on July 19th at 6pm, Central Standard Time.

Please join Laney Hobbs, whose host of the Amazing True Crime Fan Club podcast and myself

on Spotify Live for an in-depth discussion about the Stephen Avery case, which, if you're

not familiar, was the subject matter of the making a murder documentary on Netflix.

The Avery case has always been of great interest to me, because aside from how the documentary

was produced in a way to lead the viewer to reach the conclusion that Avery and Dassy

were innocent and had been framed, common sense and logic could not bring me to understand

why Avery would have done it.

He had just been released from an 18-year stint for a crime that he did not commit.

He had a documentary crew that was following him around constantly because of the case

that he had just been exonerated on.

And maybe most of all, he had a civil case that he was going to collect on sooner rather

than later, and I'm talking about a huge amount of money.

So in order for me to believe that he committed the horrible crime against Teresa Halbach,

I would have to conclude that he was a complete psychopath, who simply could not control

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