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The Daily

Tuesday, Sept. 19, 2017

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.3107.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2017

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

The investigation into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election is unnerving Washington. At a Washington steakhouse, a New York Times reporter overheard just how much the tactics used by the special counsel are rattling the White House legal team. Guests: Matt Apuzzo, who has been covering the Russia investigation for The Times; Kenneth P. Vogel, the reporter who overheard that conversation in Washington. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. You can support "The Daily" by subscribing to The Times. We're offering listeners one month free, then 50% off for a year. Go to nytimes.com/thedailyoffer for more information.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbar. This is the Daily.

0:08.5

Today, Robert Mueller's Russia investigation is unnerving Washington.

0:14.0

The aggressive tactics he's using to get Trump's team to talk.

0:19.0

And while having lunch at a DC stayhouse, a Times reporter over here's just how much those tactics are rattling the White House legal team.

0:29.9

It's Tuesday, September 19th.

0:34.9

Matapuso, what happened on July 26th?

0:41.9

This is Wednesday, early morning, dawn, and Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman, is asleep at home in northern Virginia.

0:52.9

And totally unannounced, the FBI forces its way into his home. This is not your typical boom, boom, boom, open up where the FBI and, you know, a groggy, Paul Manafort puts on a slipper and comes to the door.

1:07.9

This is the FBI forcibly going into the home and searching for evidence.

1:14.9

So they are all through Manafort's house. They make off with binders full of documents. They copy his hard drive.

1:23.9

They even photographed the suits that were hanging in his closet.

1:29.9

This is the most public and the most overt move that Bob Mueller, the special counsel, has made in the four months or so that he has been investigating Trump world.

1:42.9

And besides rating people at home as happened in the Manafort example, what are some of the other tactics that Mueller and his team are using as they interview these people and investigate the case?

1:56.9

Exhibit A would be the way they handled Manafort after the raid. So they told Manafort, we expect to charge you.

2:05.9

We expect to indict you, which sends a real, really tough message right up front. And then they follow that up where they dropped a subpoena on Manafort's own lawyer to come and testify in the case.

2:19.9

So asking his lawyer to testify against him. Wow, which is so unusual. And why is that so unusual? Well, the attorney client privilege, that protection, that what you your relationship with your lawyer is sort of sacrosanct.

2:31.9

That is enshrined, not just in law, but also in just department policies. You can subpoena a lawyer. That happens. But it is the most among the most sensitive things as a prosecutor that you can do.

2:44.9

And it just, it's just another sign. He's just not leaving anything on the table every, every option he has. He's going to take it, even if it's a really aggressive.

2:52.9

So to that point, what are these tactics used? Tell us about how Bob Mueller is conducting this investigation into Russian meddling in the election.

3:05.9

The coverage of Mueller's team has been portrayed a little bit like the beginning of of Ocean's 11 where George Clooney's sort of going out and you know, and that he's assembled this team.

3:19.9

Special counsel Robert Mueller now has more than a dozen seasoned prosecutors. This is a highly elite team. This is a powerhouse team.

3:27.9

We're going to need a safe cracker and we're going to need a guy who's going to pick pocket. 16 and all they bring experience in long-term investigations going after organized crime, money laundering, cyber terrorism and foreign bribery.

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