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The Daily

Tuesday, Dec. 5, 2017

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2017

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

A baker in Colorado refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. After he was charged with discrimination, he argued that his First Amendment right to free speech was being violated. The case is now going to the Supreme Court. Guests: Jack Phillips, the baker; Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is the Daily.

0:09.0

Today, the infamous case of the wedding cake baker who wouldn't bake a wedding cake, heads to the Supreme Court.

0:21.0

It's Tuesday, December 5.

0:24.0

The New York Times

0:27.0

Jack, tell me about how you got into this line of work that you're in.

0:32.0

The art started right off. I was always drawing and painting.

0:36.0

That was a natural passion for me.

0:38.0

When I was in high school, all of my elective classes would have been anything that was available in the art rooms.

0:45.0

Jack Phillips owns a bakery in Leequard, Colorado, just outside Denver.

0:50.0

Then I asked for a graduated high school, then I needed a job.

0:54.0

A man that lived across the street from me owned a bakery. He was gracious enough to hire me.

1:00.0

After I worked for him for a couple of years, he acquired another bakery and brought in people who did cake decorating.

1:08.0

Then I realized that I could put together the baking that I was learning and the art that I'd always loved.

1:15.0

I knew at that point that at some time in the future I would open my own bakery and it would be a cake shop where I could create cake with art.

1:23.0

How would you describe the kinds of cakes that you were making at your own shop, masterpiece cake shop?

1:30.0

The cakes that we make, they vary.

1:33.0

Sometimes they are very simple, but most of the time people come in and they want to get something really unique and really special and customized.

1:41.0

So, wedding cakes was one of the things that I wanted to make as a specialty.

1:46.0

We grew and we're becoming fairly successful and well known across the town.

1:53.0

Jack, who came into your cake shop in July of 2012?

1:58.0

Two gentlemen came into my shop. They had a folder with them and had my wedding books open.

2:05.0

I went over and sat down with them, introduced myself, exchanged names.

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