We start today, we go all the way back to Friday and, well, who would have thought of

dual that, look, if you are Mike Pence, your whole life has led up to wanting to run

for president.

I mean, whether you like Mike Pence, you don't like Mike Pence, it's pretty safe to

say.

And I don't think it makes you a, a, a, a, a hater to say Mike Pence has always wanted

to be president in the United States.

Let's put it this way.

Every morning when Mike looks in the mirror for the past 20 something out of the years,

he saw himself as president of the United States.

Absolutely.

And there was a time in a different world at a different Republican party where I think

a lot of people saw Mike Pence as a guy who could someday be a presidential nominee.

Yes.

Um, nominee, yes, president, um, sort of kind of maybe not sure, uh, Mike was always good

on the, on the, on the sort of the retail hand-checking politics on the big flowery speeches,

policy, um, give or take.

Is it also safe to say though, and we're going to get to this audio with Tucker Carlson

because whether you like Mike Pence or you don't, that's it.

It's over.

The bell has told and we'll play the audio here in just a second.

But is it safe to say that Mike Pence has not adapted into a ever changing Republican

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