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Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

So I'm in this job interview. Oh, no.

And the interviewer says, no joke says, what's this for your gap and your resume? And I said, well, I went to Yale. And she said, wow, that's really impressive.

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