All right, welcome listeners to episode 129 of Know Your Enemy.

I'm Matt Sittman, your podcast co-host, and I'm here as always with my great friend, Sam

other than Sam other than being cold?

I'm fucking cold.

It is really, really, really cold in New York City.

That's pretty much all I have to report.

I suppose mildly interested in the football game

tonight. That's right. We're recording this intro on Super Bowl Sunday, but the real event comes out

Monday morning, 6.38 on this episode. And it's one of those episodes where it feels a little strange to say

it was fun to record because it's about sort of a person who has become a terrible person, at least,

Tucker Carlson. But the book we discuss and its author we had on, Jason Zangerly, his new book,

Hated by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson, and the Unravelling of the Conservative Mind. It just came out

about a week ago, so it's hot off the presses. And Jason, I'm sure many of you have read his work over the years. As he mentions in the conversation, he starts out as an intern and then writer for the New Republic. Recently, was it writer for the New York Times Magazine? Not long before we recorded this episode, he in Forteops. He's now at the New Yorker. So he's a writer at the New Yorker. And this book was a lot of fun. Yeah. It's really good. I mean, and we mentioned this, that it's a bit of a surprise. We've never done an episode fully dedicated to Tucker Carlson. But his importance and influence over our collective political life has only grown, unfortunately, over the years. And so it does

feel like an appropriate time. And Jason was great, great guest. Yes, there's a lot of different ways

you could tell Tucker Carlson's story, the kind of media angle in this one, you know, going from a

magazine writer to CNN to Fox.

Yeah, I mean, it's true.

It's true.

And the incredible thing about the book that we do to get into with Jason is just

just how long it actually took him to become such a, you know, ubiquitous TV personality.

Like, that didn't actually happen right as soon as he stopped being a magazine journalist.

And that kind of extended come-up for him, I think, really came through clearly in Jason's book

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