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Therapist Uncensored Podcast

TU37: Organizing The Disorganized – Understanding The Elusive Attachment Category

Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD

Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science, Education, Self-improvement, Relationships

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2017

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

IN THIS EPISODE: Organizing The Disorganized: Understanding The Elusive Attachment Category Show Notes  Disorganized attachment states of mind happen to us all. We temporarily get lost in a jumble and it’s difficult to track what is happening… but for some this is a more serious concern that can reflect much of how we feel much of the time. By popular request, we begin to unravel the last attachment category and update current thinking that includes those who have unresolved trauma, loss or have had caregivers who were frightening. Disorganized Attachment In this episode, Sue Marriott, Patty Olwell and Dr. Ann Kelley discuss this oft-overlooked fourth category; disorganized attachment and how it affects our adult lives. We go over it’s development and move to our current thinking on what it includes. We’ll talk about how attachment is formed as a survival skill and how loss, trauma and frightening caregivers transport individuals to disorganized spaces. Towards the end you’ll learn how relationships can provide safety and security in neurobiological terms, and how you can affect change for yourself or a loved one. Timeline 0:00 -1:53 Intro 1:53 – 3:49 Quick review of attachment & underlying organized dynamics (Secure & Insecure) Insecure attachment (Insecure Preoccupied & Insecure Avoidant) 3:49 – 4:18 Data on attachment and historical figures (John Bowlby, Mary Ainsworth, Mary Main) 4:18 – Attachment as biological imperative & cross cultural – everyone has an attachment system 4:59 Three distinct categories – The addition of the fourth distinct disorganized attachment category (The Strange Situation) 6:54 – The problem of disorganization in adults rather than children (update) – Applying data to real life individual people – Disorganization/attachment as a spectrum 7:59 – How can we begin to move towards the middle (secure) including the disorganized? 9:32 – Buckets instead of a category 10:19 – What does disorganized attachment look like in an adult? What does “unresolved” mean? Losing mentalization & context, disorganization in parents 11:59 – Frightening caregivers – Deborah Jacobvitz 12:51 – Moving unresolved into resolved space – Narrative coherence (resolved) Unresolved taking too much information forward so you can’t forget about the stress event or events bad (in the form of nightmares, intrusions, and pre-occupations) 15:03 Other side of unresolved – avoidance of incident/trauma 16:09 – Children with trauma don’t have narrative coherence – body remembers incident but it’s fragmented 17:09 = Clinicians that came in after Ainsworth Main and Bowlby – Patricia Crittenden (student of Ainsworth). Keeping the caregiver available. 20:09 – Finding an organized state balanced between thinking and feeling 21:00 – What to do in order to heal (developing trust is key to healing) 22:00 – Biology of attachment 23:00 – Free Online Course on Modern Adult Attachment coming soon, along with others that will include Advanced Studies – join the waiting list for the free course at www.therapistuncensored.eventbrite.com 25:47 – Outro Therapist Uncensored Online Course – Reserve your spot now! In addition if you enjoyed this, we will be providing much more from a synthesis of the latest and greatest ideas out there for intervention, prevention and clinical work for those of us that didn’t come by secure relating in the old-fashioned way, from parents. For those that are having to work to earn it or who treat people with attachment insecurities, we have an online course coming up soon. Email us at info@www.therapistuncensored.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Therapist Uncensored, a podcast where therapists freely speak their minds about real life matters.

0:09.0

Hey, welcome back to Therapist Uncensored.

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This podcast is hosted by three therapists from Austin, Texas,

0:18.6

and our whole journey here, our whole job

0:21.6

is to bring you the most fun interesting exciting passionate

0:27.0

usable relational sciences and a friendly format that you can take home make use use of it, so that it doesn't die in a journal somewhere

0:36.2

or in a four inch textbook or what have you.

0:39.6

We link you directly with the original sources where they are present and then we also

0:44.4

based on our decades of experience practicing teaching studying making

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mistakes figuring it out we also provide our own perspectives on how to use this make this

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most useful today's episode is going to be a continuation of the conversation

0:59.7

about attachment but specifically about this organization, which is the least understood of the

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different categories.

1:07.4

So let's get right to it.

1:08.6

Hey there, I'm Ann Kelly, and I'm Sue Marriott Marriott and I'm Patty Allwell. Today we're going to talk again

1:16.4

about attachment and we're going to talk about organizing the disorganization. Right

1:22.4

disorganized attachment. Have you guys noticed that a lot of times

1:25.8

and training and we even did it right we kind of drop it off? It hasn't gotten a lot of

1:30.6

attention or care right the forgotten attachment and

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yet we've got what was been fun is we've gotten many many inquiries to say could

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you help us understand it yeah is a little bit difficult to really grasp.

1:44.4

Our audience is really smart because they're like,

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