People either learn to work with each other and respect their animal nature or they

perish. Their relationships will perish. We either play mindfully, be aware of the other person's needs and

wants at the same time as we're aware of ours or we go to war. This is just nature. Nature's indifferent. This has been going on since the beginning

of civilization. Two warring factors, they decide, let's not do that anymore.

Let's find some commonalities, let's come up with social contracts that

ensure everyone to be safe and protected and to be able to thrive and prosper. Let's do that. And we'll govern in a certain way and

we'll have to put rules in place to keep people from doing bad things.

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Hey welcome back Stan Tathkin.

Hey.

We are so excited to have you back.

You are actually, I don't know if you remember this, but you are one of the very,

may have been the very first guests that we had on our show, partly because of how much

respect we have for you around translating this

incredible rich science into practical terms. So I'm super excited to sit down with

you again. And I'm honored, thank you. There's a whole lot of people right now during this plague and

stay-at-home orders that are in really happy relationships and they're with their

families and things are going really well.

But even them when you're stuck with people as human animals, right? The stress

happens but particularly folks that, you know, find themselves in painful relationships.

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