When I can put that frame out there, it can help someone be more accepting and compassionate toward

their own or their partners and their partners experience both. This is obviously not a one-done

thing, right? This is we're doing this a lot over time because ultimately the goal is to help you

form new wiring that this is a safe experience with your partner. Oftentimes, what ends up

happening is if I'm activated and I'm suddenly in that place of fear, even if I know it,

part of what I might be doing is telling you what to do differently. Don't talk to me that way,

don't use that tone of voice, don't look at me with those eyes, don't sit like that because

that's the only strategy that we can think of. Then those strategies don't work and it's incredibly

frustrating to both partners. So we help people, help couples organize, oh, this is what's going on,

of course, that's frustrating for you. This is what's happening on the inside, it's getting

all disorganized. And together, when they begin to organize it, they create safety, they create a new

experience together. Therapist Uncensored brings you decades of experience with interpersonal

psychotherapy, relational neuroscience, modern attachment, and anything else they think will be

helpful in healing humans. Now hear your co-host, Dr. Anne Kelly and Sue Marriott.

So hey everybody, it is my absolute pleasure to bring you Camille Cent. One of the things we're

going to be talking about today is some of the different models of therapy and attachment is

like, okay, so what I'm beginning to learn this, I can identify it, but what do I do with it?

So we are going to be talking to that particular question, I think. So can you just introduce

yourself a little bit and tell us how you came to have these new and interesting ideas about how to

use attachment there and how to heal people? Sure, although I definitely want to emphasize that

they're not my unique ideas, I stumbled into emotionally focused therapy developed by Sue Johnson.

Right. A Canadian psychologist. Well, and the new thing you're doing is kind of bringing these

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