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Top Traders Unplugged

TTU52: Do Amazing Things Just By Showing Up ft. Rob Hartman of Pacific Capital Advisors – 2of2

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

News, Investing, Business News, Business

4.8715 Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2014

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Rob Hartman knows that showing up is half the battle when it comes to work in any industry. But his viewpoint as a solo fund manager give us deep insight into the inner-workings of a firm and how it deals with drawdowns, track record, and investors’ questions. In Part 2 of our conversation with Rob, we dive into his models and programs and how each of them works. We also learn about Rob’s background that helps round out this picture of a successful manager.

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In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

  • Why Hannah Montana has some life lessons to teach.
  • Rob’s track record and how to read it.
  • What happened when he changed his strategy.
  • The details of the programs he runs.
  • How Vanguard, his flagship product, works.
  • How he manages his momentum trades, or trend following trades.
  • Why his thoughts on position sizing have evolved over time.
  • How he conducts his research and why he doesn’t do any discretionary trading on his models.
  • The risk that he focuses on as a smaller manager and how he manages that risk.
  • How he deals with questions about drawdowns from investors.
  • How Rob copes emotionally when he experiences a drawdown.
  • What his research process is without a research team.
  • What is the optimal number of rules for Rob’s models to have.
  • What questions investors are missing in their due diligence.
  • Books he would recommend for would-be managers.
  • The advice he gives to his kids and the lessons he wants to pass on.

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0:00.0

What I try to tell them and I try to practice this is, and I saw it in the workplace in my prior career, is that you're going to be up in the 95th percentile if you wake up, get up, show up.

0:15.0

And you don't have to know exactly what to do, but just start working on things.

0:20.0

And you will get amazing things done. You know, you may be brilliant, that's do, but just start working on things. And you will get amazing things done.

0:22.6

You may be brilliant, that's wonderful, but just keep showing up.

0:26.6

And if you have the right philosophy and the right belief system and the right values,

0:30.6

you combine those things and you can, I believe anybody can do just amazing things.

0:36.6

Being prepared for when things don't work out as planned is very important.

0:42.4

But planning for failure is not planning to fail.

0:46.5

Fate has ordained the men who went to the moon to explore in peace,

0:51.1

will stay on the moon to rest in peace.

0:54.4

These are the words from a speech that President Nixon had prepared in case of a failure

1:00.0

when the US launched Apollo 11 to the moon back in 1969.

1:05.6

But President Nixon did not have to use this speech.

1:09.0

Instead he used the other speech he had prepared, namely the

1:12.7

one to be used in case of a successful moon landing and return. Having a plan B and being prepared

1:20.6

for the unexpected, well, that's what we're talking about in today's episode of Top Traders Unplugged.

1:28.6

Welcome back to Top Traders Unplugged, where the best traders in the world come to share

1:33.2

their experiences, their successes, and their failures.

1:36.5

Let's rejoin the conversation with your host, veteran hedge fund manager, Neil's

1:40.6

Kastra Larson.

1:55.3

In due course, if you take care.

1:59.1

Let me, this is sort of a spur of the moment,

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