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Top Traders Unplugged

TTU46: The Benefits of Negative Correlation ft. Roy Niederhoffer of R. G. Niederhoffer Capital Management – 2of2

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

News, Investing, Business News, Business

4.8715 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2014

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

In our continued conversation with Roy Niederhoffer, we discuss risk management, drawdowns, why negative correlation is so important to Roy, and what gets him out of bed every morning (and what keeps him awake at night). Learn more about how to create a balanced and diversified portfolio or what it takes to be a manager.

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In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

  • What has changed by the fact that more and more trading decisions are made by computers instead of humans.
  • The issue of model decay in Roy’s field.
  • Why he has constructed his trading program the way that he has.
  • His ten-step process from idea generation to putting it into the system. The research process laid out.
  • How his firm does research.
  • How position sizing plays a role in the short term space.
  • How he keeps model slippage to a minimum.
  • Risk management and how Roy deals with it.
  • When to use discretion to reduce risk.
  • What he learns from going through a drawdown.
  • How he keeps investors in the firm during a tough time.
  • How he personally deals with drawdowns.
  • How he measures the effectiveness of his research.
  • If his risk tolerance went down once he had more money under management.
  • What the biggest challenge is for Roy in the short term management space.
  • What investors are not asking him during due diligence.
  • What makes him go into work everyday.
  • Books that Roy recommends reading for managers and investors.
  • How the office environment affects how investors perceive a firm.
  • About downside protection and negative correlation.

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0:00.0

I can pretty much play any song on the piano from memory in any key and sing it.

0:08.4

And so I'm a, I think if I, if the hedge fund thing doesn't work out, I'm going to play piano in a piano bar.

0:17.6

If you want to stand out from the crowd, it requires a unique approach to life and business.

0:24.7

An approach that is aligned with your personality and that goes against the herd or the trend.

0:32.5

At times it will expose you and make you vulnerable to the public and at times it will make you look like a hero.

0:41.3

Deep down, it's about being a contrarian,

0:45.0

and that's what we're talking about in today's episode of Top Taders Unplugged.

0:51.6

Welcome back to Top Taders Unplugged,

0:53.8

where the best traders in the world come to share

0:56.2

their experiences, their successes, and their failures.

0:59.6

Let's rejoin the conversation with your host, veteran hedge fund manager, Niels Kastra Plarsen. worse than chance at helping you predict the future.

1:18.8

Very interesting.

1:20.4

Now, I picked up somewhere that kind of your general philosophy that you talk about

1:26.6

is that when people trade using their instincts,

1:30.2

that behavior becomes predictable,

1:32.1

and that's what you can then exploit.

1:35.1

But my question is, in the last five or 10 years,

1:38.7

more and more computers get involved in trading.

1:43.4

And I just wonder whether this, these instincts and behavior and predictability of trading

1:52.4

and markets, are they impacted with less and less decisions possibly being made by humans

1:59.8

and more and more being made by computers

2:01.7

who obviously behave differently?

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