Welcome to the Sword and Trial.

The Sword and Trial is a podcast of Founders Ministries and Founders

Exists for the Recovery of the Gospel and the Reformation of Local Churches.

I'm Tom Ascle.

And I'm Graham Gundon.

We're glad to have you join us again today as we

want to dive into a contemporary issue that's facing evangelical Christians, try to think a little bit

more carefully about it than is often done, especially in terms of Big Eva and some of the things

that are going on are just assumed and are being accepted without question that we

think we ought to back up in question. But before we do that, we want to also just inform you

about a few things that are going on in founders. First of all, we greatly appreciate all of our

founders' alliance members. They, be through their prayerful and financial support, enable us to

put this podcast out and all the other things

we do and we have a special going on right now if you'd like to sign up for the fam and become a partner

with us and invest in this ministry we want to give you a t-shirt so you can invest at different

levels with the founders alliance membership and i think if you come on board at the sword level,

is that right? Or the shield level. We're going to give you a, we have a book t-shirt. And people

have used these t-shirts as they've worn them to have evangelist conversations with folks. So we'd be

glad to send you that. They're very soft and cozy as well. Oh, they're wonderful.

You know, they're very warm looking. Yeah. And very warm feeling. But beyond that, we want to let you

know, too, if you're not subscribing to our YouTube channel, you're missing out on all kinds of

content that is dropping regularly. We have just begun to drop J.I. Packers lectures on the Puritans. I mean, Packer is certainly

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