Welcome to The Sword and the Trial, a podcast to Founders Ministries.

Founders Ministries exists for the recovery of the gospel and the Reformation of Churches.

I'm Jared Longshore.

And I'm Tom Askell.

Thanks so much for listening to The Sword and the Trial today.

Very happy to have you with us.

And a big thank you to our Founders Alliance members.

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and by the resources that come to many of you by being a part of the fam.

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We've got exciting things going on here at Founders Ministries.

One is the Institute of Public Theology recently launched with applications opening in the month of April.

And so if you keep your eye out on social media, if you keep your eye out at Founders.org, you will see the application process opening up for the Institute of Public Theology.

We're very excited about all that God's doing with that initiative.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to our classes getting going in the fall. And, uh, with fact,

we have a guest today who's been really instrumental in helping me to frame thoughts and been a

great encouragement to us as we have conceived this idea and are trying to bring it to fruition.

So today we have Dr. Everett Piper with us. He is

the past president of the Oklahoma Wesleyan University. He served there for 17 years. And while serving

there, he put that school on the map. He took a really good stand about truth and righteousness drew some lines in the sand refused

to cross over them and basically was willing to say to folks look if you don't care about truth

if you don't care about these issues that we are committed to this isn't the school for you

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