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The Vergecast

Truth and AI in Minneapolis

The Vergecast

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Tech News, Technology

4.34.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Like so many others, we’re still reeling from the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis. To open the show, we talk with Adi Robertson about how videos of the incident moved around social platforms, how even well-intentioned people got confused by AI imagery, and what we’ve learned about the state of misinformation. Then Adi explains the new TikTok, which is both the same and very different from the old TikTok. The newly US-centric version of the app has had some switching pains so far, and the changes may only be just beginning. After that, it’s time for a hard pivot, as Vulture’s Nick Quah joins the show to talk about Netflix’s entry into podcasts — and whether what Netflix is doing can even be called “podcasts” anymore. Finally, David answers an old Vergecast Hotline question that got him thinking about all the ways we hold our phones to make calls, and which one is the best.  Further reading: It doesn’t matter if Alex Pretti had a gun The day of the second killing TikTok USA is broken Everything (Including Netflix) Will Become YouTube This Year It’s finally time to retire the word ‘podcast’ Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Virchcast, the flagship podcast of Snow Days.

0:05.6

I'm your friend David Pierce, and it is, in fact, a snow day here at my house in Virginia.

0:09.9

We got, like, I don't know, 10 inches of snow maybe over the last 24 hours, which means I have

0:15.8

spent a lot of time outside shoveling, only to discover that my back and my legs are just pathetically weak.

0:22.5

It also means I've been indoors with my two small children for just an unbelievably long time.

0:29.1

We're all getting through it. It's going to be okay.

0:31.2

To everyone who is in the path of the storm over the last few days, I hope everyone's doing okay.

0:35.8

I hope everyone's doing okay for a lot of

0:37.5

reasons. There's a lot on right now. I hope everybody's staying safe and doing as well as you can.

0:42.1

Anyway, today on the show, we're going to talk about a lot of stuff. It's a weird episode of the

0:47.0

Vergecast, just is what it's going to be. First, Addy Robertson is going to come on, and we're

0:51.2

going to talk a little bit about what happened in Minneapolis with Alex Prattie this weekend. An awful story about a man who was killed by ICE agents. The story is horrific and sad. We've been covering it. Everybody has been covering it. I hope you're paying attention to it. And Addy and I are going to try to talk a little bit about how we experience things like this online and what we're supposed to do about it. We're also going to talk about the new TikTok, which both is part of that story and is just changing a lot on its own. The TikTok deal is done. We're going to talk about what happens next. After that, we're going to do just a full 90-degree context switch, and we're going to talk about podcasts. So Netflix has started doing podcasts. It's signed these big deals with these big podcasts. And all of a sudden, I open up the Netflix app and there's podcasts. And if that's not a PhD thesis in what is a podcast, I don't know what it is. So Nick Kwa, who writes for New York Magazine and is one of my favorite people to talk to about podcasts, it's going to come on the show and help me make sense of all of it. We also have a really fun question about phone calls

1:47.2

on the Burgecast hotline. Lots to get to. It's going to be great. But first, my kids are upstairs

1:52.4

and I have to go tell them to stop talking. That's literally what it is. Sometimes people are like,

1:55.5

David, do you make up things that you do? But no, you can probably hear my kids banging around upstairs. One of them needs a nap.

2:01.7

One of them needs lunch.

2:02.8

We got a lot going on.

2:04.3

I'm going to go deal with it, and then we're going to do this.

2:06.1

This is the Vergecast.

2:07.0

We'll be right back.

2:09.0

Support for the show comes from L'Oreal Group,

2:11.5

the global beauty leader,

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