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The Daily Beast Podcast

Truth About Claim Trump Ratted Out Epstein: Wolff

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.6 • 7.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Trump chronicler Michael Wolff and the Beast’s Joanna Coles unearth Donald Trump’s bizarre entanglements with Jeffrey Epstein. From a birthday book signed by Trump to a shady mansion deal, to an $83 million judgment and claims of FBI informants, the hosts unpack the evidence, denials, and contradictions. They explore how Trump’s excuses collapse under scrutiny and why his ties to Epstein keep resurfacing. With Epstein’s letters and Trump’s own words raising fresh questions, the story only grows darker. And our hosts ask whether Trump’s connection to Epstein is a liability he can ever escape.

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0:00.0

I'm Joanna Coles.

0:02.0

Oh no, not again.

0:04.0

You have to introduce yourself.

0:05.0

Not everybody knows who you are, Michael Wolf.

0:07.0

I am Michael Wolf, who has known Joanna Coles, it occurred to me on the way in for 25 years.

0:14.0

25, and we've had feuds along the way, I think it's fair to say.

0:18.0

I've had feuds with everyone, so that doesn't make you exceptional. Okay. Oh, that's sad because I wanted to be exception. I do remember, though, we were having a feud. I can't remember what it was about. And I bought the audio book. In those days, it was cassette tapes that I put into the car to listen. It was the book about Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch, another

0:38.4

man, again in the news. Also in the, never out of the news, really. And it was like having

0:45.1

you in the car. The man who owns the news was the name of that book. The man who owns the news

0:49.8

was the name of the book. And I called you and I said, Michael, I feel as if I've been driving with you

0:54.8

for five hours and you literally said to me, the feud is over.

0:59.9

Actually, that's not the story.

1:03.1

Well, that's my memory of it.

1:05.4

The story was that you were mistakenly invited to the book party for the man who owns the news.

1:12.9

And I saw you, I thought, why are we fighting?

1:16.2

Is that true?

1:17.0

Yeah, it's true.

1:18.3

I think we actually had two separate feuds.

1:21.7

Anyway, I'm disappointed that I was mistakenly invited.

1:25.3

I think I've been mistakenly invited to lots of things, so it's

1:27.7

fine. Anyway, where are we going? Inside Trump's head. And you know, it gets, I used to say that

1:35.8

casually, but it gets more and more frightened.

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