Truss triumph or Sunak surprise?

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

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🗓️ 3 September 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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The long, hot summer of endless Conservative leadership contest hustings is over, and next week the winner will be announced. The FT’s Seb Payne joins the podcast crew to discuss the battle to become Prime Minister. Will Liz Truss emerge victorious as all the polls predict? Can Rishi Sunak spring a surprise? And just how daunting is the next prime minister’s in-tray? And as Boris Johnson’s premiership comes to an end, how should we look back on a dramatic - and sometimes controversial - stint in No10? With Hannah White, Jill Rutter and Alex Thomas Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government. I'm Hannah White.
0:16.0	If you like Conservative Party leadership hustings, then this has been a glorious summer.
0:21.7	If you don't,
0:27.8	then the last few months have been akin to some sort of never-ending feverish nightmare. But wherever you stand, it's nearly over. On Monday, we will know whether Rishi-Soonak or Liz Truss has won the race to
0:33.0	succeed Boris Johnson. And on Tuesday, they will officially move into number 10 and begin the work
0:38.0	appointing their cabinet and trying to tackle an eye-wateringly difficult intray.
0:43.4	Inflation is soaring, energy bills are rising, the union is straining, Brexit is not as done
0:49.3	as some might claim, the conflict in Ukraine shows no sign of easing, and well, you get the idea.
0:56.5	So to look back on the summer and ahead to a very eventful week, I'm joined by a pair of
1:01.2	IFG experts who live for the type of drama that Monday will bring. And that's IFG senior fellow,
1:07.1	Jill Rutter. Hi, Jill. Hi, Hannah. And program director, Alex Thomas. Hi, Alex. Hi, Hannah.
1:14.9	And I am delighted to be joined by the FD's Whitehall correspondent and friend of the show, Seb Payne.
1:19.6	Seb, great that you can join us. Hello. Now, you, I think I'm right in saying,
1:24.4	chaired a hustings earlier this summer. Do you think the hustings process actually changed any minds in the Conservative Party?
1:31.0	Not really. I think the whole contest has been pretty stable from the last BBC debate that
1:36.8	happened at the end of July, because up until that point, Liz Truss had not been the best
1:41.6	performer, she hadn't been the best debater and Rishi Sunak was
1:44.9	far better and far smoother throughout the process. But then in that particular event, she really
1:50.7	came punching through and Mr. Sunak was criticised for being a sort of mansplaining, for talking
1:56.4	over her. And from that moment on, the trajectory has been set. And I've watched, I think, nearly all of the hustings for my sins and chaired that one in Exeter. And fundamentally,
2:05.7	I could probably tell you all the lines they're going to use of each of the candidates,
2:09.2	because they have a script and they just stick to it. Hasn't really revealed that much. I think
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