I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

I discovered early on, especially with the velocity at which events come rushing by

in the Trump administration, that every day that I wrote a poem, the next day it would

be ancient history.

And I realized, well, why don't you just embrace that?

You're telling history.

And in its way, it makes a poem even more interesting.

You sort of see my naivete at work.

That's John Lithgow in a conversation that was live streamed by the 92nd Street Why.

He's talking about his new book of satirical verse and drawings called Trumpty Dumpty

wanted a crown.

John's an old friend and a superb actor, but it turns out he has all these other talents

as well.

Here we were virtually at the Why.

Hello and welcome to our conversation.

I'll be talking tonight, first of all, I'm Alan Alder and I'll be talking tonight with

the great John Lithgow, who you've seen starring in many movies and television series, but

remarkably for me, one of the greatest performances I've ever seen was when he played Winston Churchill

on the crown.

John, welcome to the conversation.

Thank you, Alan.

Wonderful to hear you say such nice things about me.

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