Trump vs. Zelenskyy: With friends like this...

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.8 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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How can Zelenskyy work with a US President he fundamentally can’t trust? Trump’s decision to pause US aid to Ukraine was the final act in a seismic weekend which sent shockwaves through Europe. Following the dire spectacle of Trump and Vance rounding on Zelenskyy in the Oval Office, is the relationship now purely coercive? Oz Katerji talks to Kyiv-based conflict and human rights journalist and CEO of the Public Interest Journalism Lab Nataliya Gumenyuk, to assess Ukraine’s choices as the world order tilts on a dangerous axis. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to Incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:53.0	U.S. President Donald Trump's announcement on Monday that the U.S. will pause aid to Ukraine
0:59.0	was the final act of a weekend which has sent shockwaves through Ukraine and Europe.
1:05.0	The decision, effectively seeking to force Ukraine to the negotiating table with a weak hand after three years of resistance
1:12.9	against Russia's brutal full-scale invasion followed the dire spectacle of Donald Trump and
1:19.1	Vice President J.D. Vance shaking down Volodymyr Zelensky during an infamous televised White
1:26.0	House press conference last week.
1:28.3	Zelensky's subsequent meetings with European leaders showed Ukraine is not without support in the world.
1:35.3	But without US backing, how can Ukraine achieve lasting security in the face of the Russian onslaught?
1:42.3	My name is Oz Katherj and this is not a drill.
2:10.2	I'm a drill.
2:18.7	Joining me today to discuss Ukraine's future after a week that shattered the fragile notion of a US-led global order,
2:24.8	is Natalia Humeniuk, a journalist specialising in conflict and human rights reporting,
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