Trump vs. The Fed: Sabotage, Showdown, or Economic Revolution?
The David McWilliams Podcast
David McWilliams
4.5 • 692 Ratings
🗓️ 20 January 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Donald Trump is taking aim at the most powerful, and most opaque, institution in the global economy: the Federal Reserve. By moving to oust Jay Powell through a criminal investigation, Trump has triggered a battle that cuts to the heart of who really controls money in America, and by extension, the world. Is this an unprecedented act of economic sabotage? A dangerous authoritarian power grab? Or is Trump simply calling the bluff of a self-regarding central banking elite who’ve been pulling the levers of the economy from their marble citadels for 40 years? In this episode, we go deep on interest rates, the dollar, and the political economy of money, from Nero and Henry VIII to Lenin and Hitler, to explain why powerful leaders have always wanted to control the currency. We explore what “financial repression” really means, why Trump wants rates at 1%, and who wins (and loses) when money is made cheap. What if the central bankers aren’t the neutral technocrats they claim to be? What if independence has been more myth than reality, and quantitative easing has already blurred the lines between the Fed and the government?
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| 0:00.0 | Coming up on the podcast, it's all about money, monetary economics, the rate of interest, |
| 0:05.4 | and Donald Trump deposing Jay Powell at the head of the Fed. |
| 0:11.1 | Is this an act of economic sabotage unprecedented? |
| 0:15.4 | Or is it simply calling the bluff of a bunch of bullshitters in good suits |
| 0:20.7 | who have been spinning |
| 0:22.0 | yarns from central banks, citadels for the last 40 years. Join us in a couple of minutes. |
| 0:29.2 | To understand the economy, you have to understand human nature. |
| 0:35.4 | This podcast is powered by ACAST. |
| 0:42.0 | How you're doing there? |
| 0:43.4 | It is time for the podcast and we have a full, full podcast for you today. |
| 0:49.3 | We're going to focus. |
| 0:49.8 | As opposed to an empty one? |
| 0:51.2 | Well, that's a fairly fair point. |
| 0:52.8 | I would just say it was a busy podcast, John. |
| 0:54.7 | Right, okay. We've a busy podcast today. Lovely to see you. Yes, indeed, aren't you? |
| 1:00.1 | It's great to see you again. Anyway, we have a very busy podcast. We're going to be talking all about |
| 1:05.8 | the significance of the movement in the States by Donald Trump to try and oust the feds, |
| 1:15.4 | Jay Powell, by way of a criminal investigation, what that means for the dollar, what that |
| 1:21.1 | means for interest rates, but also is this part of the playbook of authoritarian leaders going all the way back to Nero, John. We're going to go back to Nero. Fiddling while Rome burned. All that good stuff. Excellent. But how have you been had? I've been good. I've been good. Busy, busy week. Like a busy podcast. Like a busy podcast. But actually, you've been a bit busy, I see. Yeah. You've been on other podcasts. How could you? I know. You feel slighted, do you? I do. I feel I'm cheating on you. I'm cheating on you. No, I was on a wonderful American podcast, which is recorded before Christmas in California, a podcast podcast called The Armchair Expert. Oh yeah. That's good. I called |
| 2:02.6 | Dax Shepard. Yeah. It's 30 million downloads a month, John. Jesus. Now that's a proper podcast. |
| 2:08.8 | We're only Mickey Mouse in comparison. But it was on the book. And I will say something, |
| 2:13.2 | I have done loads of interviews on the book, as you know, but this was by far in a way |
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