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weekending Friday the 25th of October. And there's a content warning. This podcast contains some

criticism of Sir Kirste Arma. Yeah. What did we criticise Sir Starmour? Well, we discussed the fact that he appears to have encouraged Donald Trump to declare war on the UK,

or at least the British government, which is, I guess, suboptimal.

We got into that.

And we also talked about Sakeer's refusal to accept liability for the slave trade.

Yeah.

And I'm afraid we were not impressed by that either.

We're not.

So actually, I think, I mean, I found both halves of the conversation in grossing.

My favourite half is the second half, I have to say.

Where we talk about the slave trade, which is, it's such an astonishing moral dilemma, isn't it?

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