Trump Versus Canada

The David Frum Show

The Atlantic

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 2.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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On this week’s episode of “The David Frum Show,” David opens with his thoughts on the reported $500 million-dollar deal between World Liberty Financial, a Trump-family business venture, and the United Arab Emirates, as reported by “The Wall Street Journal.” David discusses the helplessness we feel as we are bombarded with stories where it seems all restraint has broken down and explains what laws exist that are meant to curtail corrupt practices. Then, David is joined by former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney to discuss the Trump administration’s overtures to an Albertan secessionist movement, the harm the Trump presidency has done to the American-Canadian alliance, and how Trump is pushing Canada into China’s arms. David and Premier Kenney also discuss how the failures to address immigration by liberal parties across the West have led to dangerous far-right populist movements. Finally, David discusses “The Imperialist,” by Sara Jeannette Duncan, and how it can help us better understand what is being lost by Trump’s destruction of the relationship between America and Canada. Sign up for David Frum’s newsletter alert. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/Listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:59.5	I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic.
1:02.7	My guest this week will be Jason Kenney, former Premier of the Canadian Province of Alberta,
1:08.5	former Canadian Minister of Immigration, former Canadian
1:11.4	Minister of Defense. My book this week will be a 1904 novel by a Canadian writer named
1:17.3	Sarah Jeanette Duncan titled The Imperialist, which casts a reflective light on some of the themes
1:23.8	of my conversation with Jason Kenney. Before turning to either, some opening thoughts on an absolutely astonishing story
1:31.1	reported by the Wall Street Journal on January 31st.
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