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5-4

Trump v. J.G.G.

5-4

Prologue Projects

News Commentary, News, Government

4.63.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court under Trump 2.0 is engaging in their favorite pastime: finding convoluted procedural reasons to rule in his favor.


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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.


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0:00.0

Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking about Trump v. JGG.

0:15.8

This very recent case is about President Trump's mass deportation efforts, which he has defended using

0:22.3

an 18th century law called the Alien Enemies Act. The Trump administration has flown

0:27.5

hundreds of undocumented immigrants from Venezuela to El Salvador, where they are being held in a notoriously

0:33.8

dangerous prison. Meanwhile, a group of Venezuelan men who were awaiting deportation

0:39.2

filed a class action lawsuit, claiming, among other things, that their right to due process is

0:45.2

being violated. A federal judge temporarily halted all deportation flights to El Salvador

0:50.8

while the lawsuit played out. But then the White House asked the Supreme Court to weigh in.

0:56.1

In a five to four procurium decision, the court sided with the Trump administration, saying that while

1:02.0

the plaintiffs did have a right to argue their cases, they had made procedural errors in doing so.

1:08.1

Well, it's a win for the Trump administration as it looks to conduct mass deportations.

1:12.5

The Supreme Court says the White House may temporarily use the Alien Enemies Act, but the court

1:18.3

said people who are detained must have time for due process. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how

1:24.9

much the Supreme Court sucks.

1:38.7

Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have destabilized our civil rights, like Trump, destabilizing the economy.

1:41.4

I'm Peter. I'm here with Riannon.

1:44.5

Short and quick and just right into it. We don't need to flourish as on this metaphor. He's just destabilizing. Easiest metaphor of the year for me.

1:50.7

And it's great. You don't even need to put a qualifier on it, just the economy. Because wherever you

1:54.9

are in the world, Trump has destabilized your economy. It's fantastic. That's right.

2:00.8

It's fantastic. And Michael, also economy. That's fantastic. That's right. It's fantastic.

2:01.6

And Michael, also here.

2:02.8

Hi, everybody.

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