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a fan favorite from Huff Post. He's up on the hill, as you can tell by the tight confines

of where he's sitting. And we're going to be talking about the government shutdown. Ardi,

what's going on, man?

The government shut down, but I'm still at the Capitol. We're still doing stuff over here.

This part of the government's still open. What number shutdown is this for you?

I'm not sure. There's been some really dinky ones. And people wondering if this will be a big one or not.

Don't know yet.

Yeah.

I asked that because I remember my first shutdown was in the Obama era, or shutdown, I should say.

And it was like a big deal.

Like people were freaking out and running around and really like concerned about the possibility of the shutdown.

And this doesn't feel like that.

This feels almost like matter of course.

I agree.

I think just through sheer repetition, the drama is much less this time, even though the effects are significant, just like they were in the previous times.

Like, we've done this before.

Yeah. All right. So set the stakes. It's 3 o'clock. It's Wednesday. We've been shut down for 15 hours now. Where do negotiations stand

and what are the sticking points? There are no negotiations. No, that's not true. There's talks.

Well, yeah, there's like a few senators were huddling on the Senate floor, and we could all see them.

So we're like, ooh, what were you talking about in the Republicans, or Mike Rounds, the

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