Trump, the National Guard and the militarization of American cities

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🗓️ 8 October 2025

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When can a president invoke the Insurrection Act? The Brennan Center for Justice's Elizabeth Goitein explains.

Then, we talk with Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona about the government shutdown and why health care is the dividing line between Democrats and Republicans in shutdown negotiations.

And, this year’s Nobel Prize-winning chemists designed porous materials that can pull water from the desert air, capture carbon dioxide from factories, and scoop pollution out of water. President of the American Chemical Society Dorothy Phillips joins us.

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0:00.0	Support for here and now anytime comes from MathWorks, creator of MATLAB and Simulink software for technical computing and model-based design.
0:09.2	MathWorks, accelerating the pace of discovery in engineering and science. Learn more at MathWorks.com.
0:17.2	WBUR Podcasts, Boston.
0:21.9	The military can only be called forth to assist civilian authorities in the most extreme scenarios,
0:29.6	and the facts on the ground in all of these places simply do not justify military deployment.
0:35.1	The Trump administration grasps at legal justification for its use of military force in American cities.
0:51.4	It's Wednesday, October 8th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR.
0:57.3	I'm Chris Bentley.
1:01.5	Today on the show, Senator Mark Kelly on the government shutdown and why Democrats want to preserve subsidies for health insurance.
1:10.4	Millions of people around the country will not be able to afford this care.
1:16.2	It's going to hurt hardworking everyday Americans.
1:19.9	Also, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry went to an international team of scientists
1:24.9	who pioneered a new form of molecular architecture.
1:28.9	It's very, very exciting. I mean, the dream of chemists to be able to build chemical structures by the building block approach.
1:36.7	And we figured out the recipe on how to do that.
1:40.2	No PhD required for our seminar on metal organic frameworks coming up at about 15 minutes.
1:47.4	But first, hundreds of National Guard troops arrived at an army training center outside Chicago
1:53.8	to support President Trump's crackdown on immigration and on the protests against that agenda.
2:03.3	This morning, the president called for the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois to be thrown in jail for, quote, failing to
2:08.7	protect ICE officers. Here's how Mayor Brandon Johnson responded on CNN. This president is unstable,
2:17.0	unhinged, a double-minded individual that, quite frankly, is a threat
2:20.9	to our democracy.
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