Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

We are coming to you just afternoon on Thursday today, a day later than our normal schedule.

If you ever wondering, like, why do we shift sometimes, it's almost always because of the news changes.

And, you know, Kate is our,

among all the other hats she wears, she is our lead Supreme Court reporter. So basically,

when we have a big Supreme Court day, we'll often bump the pod to a later day. And that's

why we are this week. Let me remind you, before we get to anything else, we are just now at the

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Anyway, so we have some pretty interesting stuff to talk about today.

One thing that is just kind of, we'll start with, that has just like come really on our radar in the last, I think in the last 24 hours, maybe in the last 18 hours, we had one of those stories and we know the pattern where there's a story, usually like in the New York Times or some kind of prestige outlet, because these stories don't come from, I don't want to dig at any of my colleagues, but these aren't shoe leather stories.

These are stories that people put out the word.

And the word of this was, Trump's talking about firing Pam Bondi.

He's talking about it.

And, you know, in a normal administration, you might have people talk about all sorts of things, right?

And presidents have fractious relationships with some cabinet members.

And, you know, the people say things in hot moments or something like that.

But we know from, we have seen this story so many times.

We have seen this one. We know, we know this story.

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