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appointments game yesterday. He pulled the former pick for Surgeon General that he had been

rolling with, a former doctor who's a Fox News contributor. He's going in a different

direction. Casey Means is Donald Trump's new pick

to be the U.S. Surgeon General. She's kind of an interesting character in a whole lot of ways.

We're going to break it all down today, talk about it. I'm joined by Jonathan Cohn, our top policy

reporter, and Will Summer, our in-house expert in all things, right-wing and wild.

So thanks, guys.

Let's talk a little bit about the background of this person.

Where does she come from?

Where did Donald Trump pick this woman up off the street to be the next, potentially the next Surgeon General of the United States, Jonathan?

Yeah.

So, I mean, you look at her

biography and it starts in a very traditional way for a surgeon general, right? So she goes to Stanford.

She goes to Stanford Medical School, ends up in residency in Oregon for becoming a head

neck surgeon. And then somewhere during residency, she decides this isn't for her.

And the story she tells is that she had this sort of epiphany doing surgery one day,

that the medical profession, the medical establishment, or a whole healthcare system,

was very focused on treating people when they are sick and not at all focused on why they got sick and keeping them healthy.

And so she kind of, at that point, there's like a, turn off the sort of normal, you know, the standard road of kind of American medicine.

She becomes, she turns into a sort of a, you know, a writer, a thinker, entrepreneur,

you know, an evangelic, an evangelist

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