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Next Up with Mark Halperin

Trump’s Seven Rules For Making Decisions, and Vance’s Transformation, with Batya, Bolling, Knowles

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.8846 Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Mark Halperin kicks off today’s show with an in-depth analysis of Donald Trump’s decision-making process, breaking down the seven rules that guide his leadership. Mark explores how Trump’s instinct-driven choices, strategic use of chaos, and mastery of controlling the narrative have set him apart from past presidents—and allow him to effectively make choices and shape how his decisions are perceived. Then, Mark is joined by Batya Ungar-Sargon and Eric Bolling for an in-depth discussion on the changing landscape of immigration politics. The trio unpacks the real sentiments of Americans, exploring the complexities behind issues like mass deportation and the various stances within the MAGA movement. Plus, Michael Knowles from The Daily Wire traces JD Vance’s rapid rise within the GOP, from his Hollywood-blessed memoir to becoming one of the party’s most influential figures—perhaps even its future leader. Michael reveals to Mark the secret behind Ben Shapiro’s success, and the two try to answer a tough question: can Republicans be Swifties, too?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome in NextE's. You're not really called NextDies. For those you don't know, we're still looking

0:06.6

for a name for the community here, but it's a running joke. For those of you don't get it,

0:10.5

we'll never actually name the community, probably. But today I'm calling you NextDies just for fun,

0:15.2

trying it out. Welcome in NextEes. I'm Mark Alpert, editor-in-chief of the live interactive video platform two-way and your guide to everything that's next up.

0:23.2

We have a jam-pack show today, which is what people in the video business always say.

0:27.2

But this one is real.

0:28.8

In a moment, my monologue, my reported monologue on how Donald Trump makes decisions.

0:32.8

It's one of the, I think, most misunderstood, underappreciated aspects of his leadership, of his presidency.

0:39.8

And I'll walk you through my reporting on how Donald Trump deals with the big choices he faces

0:45.0

as commander-in-chief as president of the United States, as a politician, that in a moment.

0:49.7

And then two great guests, Eric Bowling of Bowling.

0:57.8

Longtime host and journalists will join us along with Baja Ungarck Sargon,

1:02.2

my two-way colleague, the author, journalist, and co-host of the group chat on two-way.

1:06.3

And then a little later in the program, one of my favorite phrases for the media business,

1:10.6

a little later in the program, Michael Knowles, the host of the Michael Knowles Show,

1:11.8

Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire will be here. We'll talk to Michael about all manner of things. You'll be stunned,

1:17.3

shocked, delighted, and amazed at how much we have in common. All right, but first, my reported

1:22.3

monologue on choices, decisions. Every president has as their main job making tough decisions. Because the easy

1:31.2

ones get made by the staff. You'll talk to anyone who's been president of the United States,

1:34.7

any chief of staff at the White House, and they'll tell you, the biggest thing is every decision

1:39.5

that gets the Oval Office inbox is a tough one because of not. It would have been made by someone

1:44.0

else. George Bush famously been made by someone else.

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