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0:34.0 | This is open to debate. Hi, everybody. I'm John Donvan, and today we are bringing you a debate we recorded live in New York City in partnership with the Council on Foreign Relations. |
0:43.3 | It's part of a three-part series we are calling the Trump Doctrine, a global reckoning. |
0:48.3 | And in these debates, we look at what is evolving in real time in America's foreign relations. |
0:53.3 | And as for this debate, it's about one |
0:56.0 | country in particular, a nuclear power, and for many, a global nemesis. I'm talking about Russia. |
1:02.0 | Over the years, Trump has had many nice things to say about Vladimir Putin, including calling |
1:07.0 | him strong and a talented guy. And a relationship this friendly, some have even said |
1:12.3 | this deferential, is a break from past foreign policy. So now we have a fundamental disagreement |
1:18.0 | about how America should approach Russia. And the question we're debating is, are Trump's |
1:23.2 | Russia policies a return to normalcy, or are they a defeat for America? Now, this is an issue |
1:29.2 | that is evolving right now in real time, as Trump recently has seemed intent on getting to a peace |
1:33.8 | deal between Russia and Ukraine, but as this debate was recorded on May 6th, you're not going |
1:39.3 | to hear a discussion of Trump's newer, tougher words to Vladimir Putin on truth social or the state of negotiations |
1:45.1 | currently underway between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, this debate is a truly fascinating |
1:50.3 | conversation about whether a friendlier posture toward Putin's Russia could possibly ever play |
1:56.2 | out and happen and whether it is necessary or not. It's a really great debate, so let's get to it. |
2:01.8 | But before I introduce our debaters, Michael Froman, the president of the Council on Foreign |
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