Trump’s Retribution | Interview: Matt Lewis

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🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Unapologetic NeverTrumper Matt Lewis joins Jamie Weinstein to discuss the various “America on Fire” scenarios of the next four years and how history will judge President Donald Trump’s two terms. The Agenda: —Bret Stephens in NYT: Done with Never Trump —Anger toward elites —Best-case scenarios and worst-case scenarios —How Kamala Harris’ campaign went wrong —Trump’s criminal history —“He’s got rizz,” as the kids say —Trump’s minions —Internal contradictions The Dispatch Podcast is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including members-only newsletters, bonus podcast episodes, and weekly livestreams—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.0	Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm Jamie Weinstein.
0:33.7	My guest today is my old friend Matt Lewis.
0:37.2	You know him. He's been on before with us.
0:39.3	One of my best friends in the world, a political commentator. You've seen him all over cable news on
0:45.1	Morning Joe on CNN. He's written just about every place under the sun. A long time,
0:51.2	Never Trumper, original Never Trumper, and I bring him on again to discuss what is
0:55.9	the state of never-trump after Donald Trump's re-election. We discuss Brett Stevens' column
1:02.3	on the end of never-trump. We discuss Donald Trump, what might look like in his second term. Is
1:08.7	there a possibility that it's successful? We discuss the future
1:12.3	of never-Trumpers in the media, what 2028 election might look like, and much, much more.
1:18.7	So without further ado, I give you, my friend, Mr. Matt Lewis.
1:37.8	Thank you. Matt Lewis, welcome back to the dispatch podcast.
1:39.9	Hey, Jamie, good to be back.
2:02.6	Well, it is wonderful to have you back, and it's a similar topic, I think, to last time, which is I want to talk to you about the state of never Trump post Donald Trump's re-election. I think we talked about it before the election. And I want to use as a jumping off point what was, I think, a very significant op-ed in the New York Times by Brett Stevens in mid-December titled Done with Never Trump.
2:10.1	Of course, Brett Stevens was a original band member of the Never Trump gang. I would say one of the wings of the Never Trump game, because I think there are several wings of Never Trump.
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